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Hybrids' Unlikely Rival: Plain Old Cars

Bloomberg Businessweek -- When Doug Hacker decided he needed a car that was light on gas, he figured a Toyota Prius hybrid was the way to go. Many of his co-workers at Procter & Gamble’s soap research lab in Cincinnati drove Priuses and bragged about getting more than 50 miles per gallon. After a little research of his own, Hacker made a surprising discovery: While more costly hybrids still win the mileage competition, he could save more money by buying a Ford Fiesta powered by a technology that’s been around for 151 years—the internal combustion engine. That’s because the efficiency of conventional engines has improved so much that the mpg gap is closing, making it harder to justify paying more for gas-electric hybrids.

“I was surprised to see that cars like the Fiesta were actually about a nickel cheaper ...


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Submitted Feb 24, 2012 By: BurntOrange
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craigsfrank
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:48:10 PM

I'll stick with my diesel Jetta. It's paid off!!
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mikaye
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:48:09 PM

and it will get even closer when government starts road taxes evening costs per mile traveled
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032946
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:47:42 PM

Also the difference in price of a high mileage conventional powered vehicle, verses a EV or a Hybrid is minimal when you figure how long it would take to make up the difference in the price of gas powered vehicle gas use and the cost difference. I have always said that hybrids were a joke when you actually figure out what you save in gas over the difference in the price of a Hybrid. EV's cost too much and can't be taken on long trips because they take too long to charge. You can't recharge them in 5 minutes, where as you can fill up a gas powered vehicle in that time and wash the windows.
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mitchell6597
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:47:12 PM

HA!
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:46:54 PM

ok
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gasokie
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:45:54 PM

Right now electricity is relatively cheap but going up fast. When the costs of moving X number of pounds X number of feet equal out, then the hybrids don't have a chance. People will look back in 25 years and laugh at us.
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wiwhite87
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:43:02 PM

It's all about weight; you can't defy the physics of accelerating a mass. The prius is a mid-sized car hefting a lot of weight on its own, not to mention the extra few hundred pounds of the electric drive and batteries. A small car with a well-balanced and geared drivetrain will beat it, but they don't have the size nor mass.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:41:37 PM

All of a sudden automakers can produce vehicles with great mpg, with Hybrids not doing much better in the mpg range, but at a much higher price.

Prices don't seem to be consumer friendly seems like the car builders want to keep too much of the rebate money for themselves instead of moving more hybrids out of the showroom.
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Quick68
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:37:19 PM

With the Fiesta you don't have to buy a $5000 battery.
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Car54BC08
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:31:29 PM

He's right on the money about being cheaper. They are cheap and instead of trading in later just leave it by the curb for the garbage truck to pick up.
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Akcamper
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SCREWED AGAIN!
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swrestler
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:28:24 PM

I'll Take Old Cars Anyday Over Hybrids....
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ezone
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:27:30 PM

Sounds like good news to me - not that I can afford a new vehicle. Wish my Tundra got 37 MPG!
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ttoyota
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:26:31 PM

yeah with a used car you still have a lower carbon footprint than a new hybrid, you create a large carbon footprint by the environmantal impact
of manufacturing a new car.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:24:26 PM

Old cars vs. Hybrids ?
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ShudBWalking
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:23:58 PM

I have driven the Prius as one of our work fleet and did not like the design of the front window and dash. The visibility was poor in daytime but worse at night when the poor design caused the dashboards lights to be reflected in the windsheild and make visibility worse.
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ttoyota
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:23:22 PM

yeah alot cheaper but alot less metal around you, kinda tight little car?
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Romey08
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:23:17 PM

Make sense to buy a lower priced vehicle with over 40 mpgs than a hybrid prius.
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sailfreeMI
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:22:32 PM

No surprise here.
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GRCummins53
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:14:13 PM

Regen braking is all part of average fuel mileage. You can't separate it out. The math says that even if the Prius gets 60mpg average, it would take nearly 150,000 miles to break even.
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jwduke1
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:13:14 PM

A lot cheaper to operate, the plain old car!
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REKEY
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:12:58 PM

Yeah if you like kind of car!
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grammamNV
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:12:09 PM

Are you really surprised?
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:06:59 PM

But the prius's don't use fossil fuels they run on magic electricity
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competition is good
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:05:49 PM

But when you compare city driving hybrid to conventional there is a large difference because of the regenerated energy from braking and autostart system. Hybrids come into there own in congested cities. That is why in British Columbia all of the taxis have to be hybrids.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:05:30 PM

Right - so stop with the expensive hybrids that have battery disposal problems.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:05:12 PM

With the base cost of the Prius, it's no surprise that even with lower mileage other cars are more affordable to drive.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:04:37 PM

Not interested in hybrids.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:02:58 PM

love that gas
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 4:00:36 PM

I'll stick with my gasoline-powered car for now.
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30mpg80
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:59:56 PM

Love my Ford Fiesta 40 mpg
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:57:18 PM

If the extra $6k makes you feel good, go ahead and spend it.
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erbyfub
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:55:52 PM

Not too surprising...
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:52:35 PM

It the dealers would not require list price or a premium for the hybrid cars more of them would be sold.
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DOLABILL
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:52:23 PM

Yeah but the Prius comes with a 10 year warrenty and is a better car then a Fiesta. Thats another reason for the big price gap.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:52:19 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:49:43 PM

the more we cut back on gas the more the price goes up
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:48:55 PM

good old American made!
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:48:42 PM

Hybrid and GREEN part of the Obama PLAN, it doesn't make a difference if old technology is equal to or better!
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humblepie
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:48:21 PM

maybe when obama gets that rebate up to
$40,000 i may be interested......
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:46:20 PM

Hybrids are a pipe dream you have to have a small conventional engine and the added batteries and drive motors for the electric side. No way it can be done at the cost of a conventional car.
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dancygreen
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:45:15 PM

used to love Ford- until I worked for them
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GRCummins53
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:45:07 PM

Doing some quick math...

Let's assume the real world Prius averages 42mpg and the Fiesta averages 37mpg. Assume a fuel cost of $4.00 per gallon. The Prius costs 9.524 cents per mile, the Fiesta costs 10.811 cents per mile. The difference is 1.287 cents. The Prius costs $6000 (600,000 cents)more than the Fiesta, so how many miles must you drive the Prius to recover the added cost at 1.287 cents per mile? Answer = 466,200 miles. The Prius will be worn out and on the scrap heap long before even a 5mpg advantage is recovered.

At 50mpg, the Prius needs to be driven 213,447 miles to break even.
At 60mpg, the Prius needs to be driven 144,777 miles to break even.

See the problem? Buy a Prius if it makes you feel good, but don't try to convince anyone it is more economical than a fuel efficient gasoline powered vehicle getting mileage in the mid 30's.

Maybe my math is off, but I don't think so.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:43:57 PM

gotta love ford
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mickealo
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:43:21 PM

what I have been saying all along just not worth the price

[Edited by: mickealo at 2/24/2012 6:44:03 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:42:41 PM

Interesting!!!
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Buttercup!
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:38:53 PM

And I drive OLD cars - so I save even more money!
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:34:40 PM

To costly!
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2012 3:33:48 PM

Strange how the price of the replacement battery is never factored into these electric toys.

People seem, or at least try very hard, to forget that batteries are not included. Factor in the hidden $2,000 in accumulating battery replacement cost and these fantacies take on an entirely new perspective.
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